thesilhouette: (neutral)
[personal profile] thesilhouette
I see now that things here are not done as they are in my world.

Where I am from, neutralizing the perpetrator of more despicable crimes is only one concern. The second is making sure they do not forget what happens if they do such things.

I once took down a ring of men who forced children to engage in sexual acts on film, for their sick pleasure. After this, I beat them for it. I do not feel bad for doing so. Is it wrong that I did this? To me, it is not. It was not robbery; it was not a bar-fight; it was not vandalism. It was the defilement of children. That, like kidnapping and the beating of defenseless women, are not things I have ever dealt with lightly.

I did not know such a soft hand was the way of things on this ship. Had I, I would not have acted as is customary for me back home.

However, I will now "go along to get along." I have spoken to Angel, he who mans security here, and I will play by his rules from this day forward. No longer will inmates have anything to fear from me if they've already been "handled" by another warden, whether I feel they should pay further or not.

That is all.

Date: 2009-06-23 11:35 pm (UTC)
gimmethemap: (no no no)
From: [personal profile] gimmethemap
I'm trying to understand. What exactly did the Admiral tell you when you got this job, that made you think that doling out punishments for an Inmate that's not yours was ever the right thing to do? I'm not a pacifist -- most people that know me here would scoff at the very idea of me being one. The Inmates shouldn't have to get a disclaimer that they have anything to "fear" from you at any time. We're not here to scare them; we're here to help them.

And can I dispute for a second the term 'defenseless women' here? Because I seem to remember you saying something similar the night of the incident, and I'm completely baffled.

I don't regard any woman aboard this ship, inmate or warden, "helpless". I also don't think that a slight against a woman should permit any Warden to use special treatment. We are all here to do the same job, and it needs to be treated that way.

Date: 2009-06-23 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphic-hero.livejournal.com
I agreed to come in order to follow my calling here. I will help inmates, ja. But when they harm another I see it as ineffective to lock them away when they clearly do not give any care to the pain they've caused.

It is not a disclaimer. I merely state that from now on, I function differently. That I follow another's guidelines rather than my own. That is all I mean.

Where I am from, women? Most of them are unable to defend themselves to any great capacity. I am one of few exceptions. And while defenseless men usually at least have sheer size on their side, most women do not have even that.

I have no ill will towards your inmate, you know. I would not be shocked to hear he has some against me and I would not blame him for such. But you may tell him I think his intent was very noble, if it pleases you.

Date: 2009-06-23 11:55 pm (UTC)
gimmethemap: (oh for pete's sake)
From: [personal profile] gimmethemap
It is up to that Inmate's Warden to effectively punish and educate them.

There's at least one Inmate that's still on the Barge that I've shot, so again it's not like I've never used force. But tell me for the sake of argument that you can at least see the difference between using violence to stop an Inmate when they're in the process of doing wrong and attacking one when they are already injured and incapacitated? Besides that you've been told now not to?

Date: 2009-06-23 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphic-hero.livejournal.com
Although I do not agree with it completely, yes, I see the difference. The only difference is that now I keep to it despite disagreeing.

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Date: 2009-06-23 11:57 pm (UTC)
bythe_books: (this is my serious face)
From: [personal profile] bythe_books
Where I come from, you'd have been locked up for that sort of behaviour. Nobody is above the law; I don't care who you're trying to protect! When you let emotions get wrapped up in enforcing the law, then you get sloppy. You make mistakes, and people wind up getting hurt for no reason except to satisfy your bloody ego!

OH THE IRONY

Date: 2009-06-24 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphic-hero.livejournal.com
You must come from an idealistic place, then, where comic-book burglars in their striped shirts are all you have to deal with.

Ego? I need no one to think I am good at what I do, and I do not do it to feel good about myself. Do you see me being praised now? If I seem self-satisfied to you then you mistake me, sir, you mistake me greatly.

Does Rose Tyler seem like a fighter to you? Do you think she could have gotten out with such slight damage had she been alone? Do not dodge these questions, answer each with yes or no.

Haha WOW accidentally used the smile icon

Date: 2009-06-24 12:06 am (UTC)
bythe_books: (HELL NAW)
From: [personal profile] bythe_books
Far from it. But I do come from a place where vigilantes such as you are not tolerated anymore than the baddies you knock around.

No, what I see is you boasting about assault and battery.

No, she doesn't, and-- as the person who was protecting her-- NO. And that has nothing to do with the situation, because Rose was already safely in the Infirmary and her Inmate was incapacitated by the time you went and IGNORED MY CALL FOR MEDICAL ATTENTION and made his injuries worse!
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From: [identity profile] sapphic-hero.livejournal.com
Boasting and stating why I did what I did are two different things. This is not my first language and yet I seem to know that better than you.

Ah, you protected her, then? Were you also the man who left her alone with the man who harmed her further?

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Date: 2009-06-24 12:05 am (UTC)
acid_rayne: (Red)
From: [personal profile] acid_rayne
Where you're from, Charlie would never've got assigned who he was, in the first place, Sam.

I'm not openly condoning what happened, but this system never fucking changes. Remember how he went for Giselle? Rube was a real step up. God knows why someone like Rose got sent his way. She's practically a paper doll, next to that guy.

Sil', here, keeps getting yelled at, but she's just a symptom, not the cause.

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Date: 2009-06-24 12:07 am (UTC)
bythe_books: (screw you hippie)
From: [personal profile] bythe_books
Rose's assignment to Charlie, again has nothing to do with attacking an Inmate in need of medical attention. Once again, ROSE WAS SAFE BY THE TIME THIS EVENT OCCURRED.

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Date: 2009-06-24 12:19 am (UTC)
acid_rayne: (Red)
From: [personal profile] acid_rayne
If I'm the one who keeps getting told not to see everything so black and white, how come nobody else is seeing this is just a piece of the puzzle?

I'm not condoning her, but I won't outrightly condemn her, either, because I don't know how I would've acted (sorely tempted to beat the shit out of him, at the very least). You've got your methods, some of us have ours. You're a cop, me and her grew up with the vigilante 'law of the jungle' approach. Maybe the Admiral wants a little of both, when push comes to shove. Far as I'm concerned, deck 0 won't ever be enough for some of these guys. We need a way to reinforce respect, if not fear, beyond just isolation.

And I still say we need electro-shock collars.

I know you won't agree with any of this (and likely Morgan, for one, won't, either), but it's how I feel.

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Date: 2009-06-24 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-hate-posses.livejournal.com
I ain't never feared you. And I reckon if I hadn't already been shot, you wouldn't have come into my room uninvited.

Date: 2009-06-24 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphic-hero.livejournal.com
Had I been the one required to make you unhand her, I would have done the same in that situation as I actually did. The only difference is that the others here would see it as having been justified.
From: [identity profile] i-hate-posses.livejournal.com
Yeah, you reckon? Well, I tell you what, girly--

You ever try and touch me again and I'll break your fingers off.

Date: 2009-06-24 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphic-hero.livejournal.com
If I am not the one who must make you stop a crime in progress, I will not lay hands on you. I have made that perfectly clear.

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vampish_aleera: (Smile - Glow Seductive)
From: [personal profile] vampish_aleera
I know how you like to 'get along', lady...

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Date: 2009-06-25 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphic-hero.livejournal.com
Too bad you'll never 'get along' with me while I am in control of myself, ja?

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Date: 2009-06-25 04:59 pm (UTC)
vampish_aleera: (Fangs - Lick)
From: [personal profile] vampish_aleera
Think again, lady...

Date: 2009-06-25 02:27 am (UTC)
grayatonement: (vaguely amused (heroes: v4))
From: [personal profile] grayatonement
I'm going to kill you. Consider this your head start.

Date: 2009-06-25 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphic-hero.livejournal.com
Consider this your first mistake.

Date: 2009-06-26 05:03 am (UTC)
grayatonement: (precipice)
From: [personal profile] grayatonement
No. My first mistake was killing Brian Davis. Fixing a watch for Chandra Suresh. No, you'll only be another victim, another number.

Private

Date: 2009-06-26 04:58 am (UTC)
grayatonement: (wtf guys come on (heroes: v4))
From: [personal profile] grayatonement
Do you plan to help me or try to stop me?

Sorry - she has every reason to make this public!

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Private - Haha, that's fine! xD I love it.

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Date: 2009-06-30 02:28 am (UTC)
grayatonement: (dangerous territory (heroes: v4))
From: [personal profile] grayatonement
Stay out of it. She shot West. If the Admiral won't do anything about it, I will.

OOC: Actually, SAM shot West. :/

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OOC: I meant stabbed.. I'll edit.

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Private - strikes smudgy.

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Private - OOC: Got it.

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